VBulletin vs Invision Board
March 11th, 2010 by adminoffered by my Linux based webhost.
However, I still want to use best BB since my site is commercial so i'm looking into purchasing a license for vBulletin.
My question is: Are there any features that VBulletin offers which make it stand out from the rest of the free boards out there today?
Thank you.
- Bright
I'm pretty much sold on vBulletin as my choice. I noticed most of the boards I frequently visit are all VB powered so that makes my choice even clearer.
Also, I looked into Invision board and the support just isn't there. Anyone who runs a website and uses scripts knows that you need technical support because things do happen.
Thanks for the feed back.
-Bright
This is precisely why I'm considering jumping the fence from a long time fan of IPB since the Ikonboard days. I tire of the changing of the sing/'>licensing and pricing and would hate to have money spent [a contract] changed mid-stream becuase of a "change of direction".. moreover I'm tired of feeling like a second rate citizen and treated like trash since I wasn't a customer. Pre-sales questions are rarely answered timely [unlike here] and the forums Mod-zi's are overly lock happy on the most innocuous queries.
On the other hand the community here is prompt and helpful, but that should be no surprise since vB is in the business of developing communties :)
There is no doubt IPB is professional product. It is happens to be a degree in professionalism. It is similar to lawyers. They may go to same schools. They may get the same grades, however if their behavior is different, where one gives total respect, while the other is just completely rude, well there's a degree in professionalism there as well.
I agree wholeheartedly that vB is a professional forum, not least based on its reputation since it's been here far longer than most others. IPB is a relatively newer product which in that time has become a very worthy competitor to vB, there is no doubt that they are the two best boards out there. It will obviously take more time for IPB to fully establish itself in the way vB has done, only time will tell how successful or not it will be but it is unfair to judge prematurely like some people have done around here. And it is equally unfair to judge merely on one's personal preferences, being used to IPB I can say that it is easier to skin, but only because I am far more knowledgable on the IPB templates, but as you can see this would be a very biased observation since the vB users can say the exact same thing.
Ultimately the fact that there are two professional boards out there is only good for the consumers. With IPB and vB competing amongst each other, both companies will feel far more induced to make their products better and better and considering the plethora of new features available in both vB3 and IPB2 what's only certain is the race has just begun. Kudos to both.
-MZ
I read their license and all trial info pages and couldn't find it. It did mention that to use the software permanently a purchase of a license is required, but it didn't mention anything about what is considered less then permanent (say a 100 years?).
No one really has any idea how long you can use it as far as I can tell. It seems to me that if you where to run a popular forum with the trail version they could make you pay for a license about any time they wanted to.
First of all the "vB is more professional" is a rather lame argument. This argument has been popped up countless times in the past when IPB was a completely free product, the reasoning behind it that a free product was for some reason more unprofessional and inferior to a purchased one apparently only because since you gave money for something it has to be better. Regardless, IPB is still free (minus direct support) if you want it that way, or you can purchase it and receive support and other goodies just like vB. So, well, the "professional" argument - using the same rationale as before - is no longer valid.
I belive this is still a vaild argument, just because both products are now 'paid scripts' dos'nt make ipb any more professional or vB less prodessional then they where before. I visit both sites daily and the support team here seems to be far more helpful, i've never seen anyone be told to search for a answer here, they are ethor givin a answer (even if the same question comes up daily) or they are linked to a thread posted in the past that contains the information they need.
In short, jelsoft's team dose a better job of interfacing with their customers IMHO, and that is why I see them as a more professional company
and specifically
http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showtopic=128594&st=40#
At this rate it will be pay only in the future.
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62743
Also check out:
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48536
but i migreated to vb :)
check my old posts. ^_^ you will know the reasons why i selected the best product
that is vb :)
Regards,
same.
I was fed up with the way Invision was treating us (I saw more forums (Resource Sites Network) than most). Their attitude was "Buy a license, or don't use our software". At least, with vB, you know what you are paying for. Professional, Simple, Easy, Clean. vB wins hands down.
He. He. Had my personal prefrence been editting those Huge Files just for adding a full-stop ... Do I need to day more ?
but i migreated to vb :)
check my old posts. ^_^ you will know the reasons why i selected the best product
that is vb :)
Regards,
When did this happen?
I totally agree (Coming from a vBulletin user), vBulletin does get their professional name because its a paid script, but if IPB became paid, that also could become great. I still think vBulletin gets the wow factor, and the speed is just great.
IPB *IS* a paid script, there is a trial, but apparently, they just put a limit on how long you can run the trial.
There is no doubt IPB is professional product. It is happens to be a degree in professionalism. It is similar to lawyers. They may go to same schools. They may get the same grades, however if their behavior is different, where one gives total respect, while the other is just completely rude, well there's a degree in professionalism there as well.
- Paid Subscriptions (make your own software - sell it on your site, the buyers see the support boards.
- Better User Group Management and Forum Control
- Easier Style Management
I know I am a mod/admin at a few vBulletin boards so I know I am not shooting my mouth off.
Alot of our members here have converted from one system or another, and i know there are some people here who are very baised, i try not to be, ^^;; But i think you will find that alot of people here do look at both sides of the argument and give the proper comments
That's a false statement, nowhere in the IPB Licensing Agreement does it restrict the duration of which you can use/evaluate the software.
http://www.invisionboard.com/download/index.php:
License Agreement
It is highly recommended that you read all sections of this license agreement. It contains information on what you can and cannot do with the Software along with how our support services operate. Many questions are answered in the body of this document, please read it carefully.
Invision Power Services, Inc.
Invision Power Board Software
End User License Agreement
PRICING
The software features pricing of $69.95 per year or $199.00 one time. In the event you purchase a one year license and you choose not to renew your license after a year of service, your software will remain completely functional but will be unsupported.
LICENSE
Invision Power Services (IPS) grants you a non-exclusive license to use the Software on one installation to be accessable by one URL (web address) subject to the provisions in all sections of this Agreement.
The Company, at its discretion, may offer a free trial download of Invision Power Board available on its web site and certain authorized distributors. Use of this free trial is also provided under the terms of this Agreement with the additional notice that no technical support or service for the free trial download will be provided by the Company. Permanent use of the software requires purchasing the license.
SCOPE OF GRANT
You may:
* customize the Software's design and operation to suit the internal needs of your web site
* produce and distribute modification instructions, Skin packs, or Language packs provided that they contain notification that the Skin and Language packs were exported from and originally created by Invision Power Board and/or IPS. The modifications instructions you personally create are not owned by IPS so long as they contain no proprietary coding from Invision Power Board.
* create applications which interface with the operation of the Software provided said application is an original work
You may not:
* permit other individuals to use the Software except under the terms listed above
* reverse engineer, disassemble, or create derivative works based on the Software for distribution or usage outside your web site excluding those applications described above
* use the Software in such as way as to condone or encourage terrorism, promote or provide pirated Software, or any other form of illegal or damaging activity
* modify and/or remove any notices or labels on the Software on each page (unless full license is purchase) and in the header of each script source file
* distribute the Software
* distribute individual copies of files, libraries, or other programming material in the Software package
* distribute or modify proprietary graphics, HTML, or CSS packaged with the Software for use in Software applications other than Invision Power Board or web sites without written permission from IPS
DISCLAIMER OF WARRANTY
The Software is provided on an "AS IS" basis, without warranty of any kind, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose and non-infringement. The entire risk as to the quality and performance of the Software is borne by you. Should the Software prove defective, you and not IPS assume the entire cost of any service and repair. In addition, the security mechanisms implemented by IPS Software have inherent limitations, and you must determine that the Software sufficiently meets your requirements. This disclaimer of warranty constitutes an essential part of the agreement.
TITLE
Title, ownership rights, and intellectual property rights in the Software shall remain with IPS. The Software is protected by laws and treaties. Title and related rights in the content generated through the Software is the property of the applicable content owner and may be protected by applicable law. This License gives IPS no rights to such content.
TERMINATION
This Agreement will terminate automatically upon failure to comply with the limitations described herein or on written notice from an authorized representative of IPS. On termination, you must destroy all copies of the Software within 48 hours. Termination of the license due to noncompliance will not result in any refunds of license fees.
MISCELLANEOUS
IPS reserves the right to publish a selected list of users of the Software. IPS reserves the right to change the terms of this Agreement at any time however those changes are not retroactive to past releases. Changes to the Agreement will be announced via email using the IPS email notification list. Failure to receive notification of a change does not make those changes invalid. A current copy of this Agreement will be available on the Invision Power Board web site.
Skin packs and Language packs are defined as the group of code, text, and graphics that are exported from the Software using the provided functions of the Software Administration Control Panel.
Technical support will not be provided for third-party modifications to the Software including modifications to code, Skin packs, and Language packs to any license holder. If the Software is modified using a third-party modification instruction or otherwise, technical support may be refused to any license holder.
PROPRIETARY LABELS
Authorization to remove or modify output of notices can be obtained from IPS for a one time fee of $275. This fee authorizes you to remove the output of notices: it does not give you authorization to remove any notices in the program source files nor any other rights.
output removal purchase
GOVERNING LAW
This Agreement shall be governed by the Laws of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Any action in regard to this Agreement or arising out of its terms and conditions shall be instituted and litigated in the Circuit Court of Appomattox County. Each of the parties consents to jurisdiction in such Court and agrees that service of process as provided by the states and rules of civil procedures of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall be sufficient.
MANUFACTURER
Invision Power Services, Inc., P.O. Box 24, Evergreen, VA 23939. For questions, write to the above address, email info@invisionpower.com, or call 434-352-8662.
1. Don't use invision
2. Don't use WoltLab
3. Don't use phpBB
4. Don't use YaBB
5. Don't use ProBoards
6. Don't use Invisionfree
7. Don't use Philboard
8. Don't use iBulletin
9. Use vBulletin
Alot of our members here have converted from one system or another, and i know there are some people here who are very baised, i try not to be, ^^;; But i think you will find that alot of people here do look at both sides of the argument and give the proper comments
No, the free Trial is permanent, there is no yearly limit. The only difference is that 1) you don't get direct support from Invision 2) it says "trial" in the notice at the bottom of the board. No-where in the license agreement does it say you HAVE to buy it after a set of time.
offered by my Linux based webhost.
However, I still want to use best BB since my site is commercial so i'm looking into purchasing a license for vBulletin.
My question is: Are there any features that VBulletin offers which make it stand out from the rest of the free boards out there today?
Thank you.
- Bright
Hi Bright,
In my opinion, when I see a board running vBulletin, I see professional. That was the #1 reason I bought it. The second reason was that for an active site, it has so many server resource friendly features that you can use to keep the server up if you have a lot of users (unlike phpBB or others).
If you use Invision's trial, you are lucky to get support from Matt and crew (as I have heard), and when 2.0 comes out you probably won't have barely any support from them for free, just that of other users. With vBulletin, the vB Team are more than happy to go out of their way to help you, even if it is a little problem, they don't tell you to search the forums or anything. I've had problems in the past that have simple solutions, but the vB Team were happy to help me to get it solved. And it was so. :)
Plus, IB has raised their prices from a year ago (I believe it was $50) now it's $65. I predict that the price will go up, past vBulletin's $85 per year leased license.
Your users will thank you for a professional, yet simple, yet feature filled board solution. :)
Good luck on choosing your BB software, and I hope you do choose vBulletin, as it is the best (in my opinion). :)
Alot of our members here have converted from one system or another, and i know there are some people here who are very baised, i try not to be, ^^;; But i think you will find that alot of people here do look at both sides of the argument and give the proper comments
Can you point me to somewhere on their website or the like that says this?
I read their license and all trial info pages and couldn't find it. It did mention that to use the software permanently a purchase of a license is required, but it didn't mention anything about what is considered less then permanent (say a 100 years?).
Than I should get a vBulletin :)
So i did not chose vB by comparing features, i chose vB because its community and support. vB is the most advanced software. It already have functions, other boards only dream about. But i dont need this functions. I had chose vB even with less functions. I chose vB because i want to be sure to get fast help when i have a problem.
hj
IPB *IS* a paid script, there is a trial, but apparently, they just put a limit on how long you can run the trial.
within the last few months, actually, IPB is a free script, but support is pay for only, whereas vBulletin is a paid script and support comes free :) er at least it was, i havent read the license agreement in full as of late, just noted that change in the time restriction :)
First of all the "vB is more professional" is a rather lame argument. This argument has been popped up countless times in the past when IPB was a completely free product, the reasoning behind it that a free product was for some reason more unprofessional and inferior to a purchased one apparently only because since you gave money for something it has to be better. Regardless, IPB is still free (minus direct support) if you want it that way, or you can purchase it and receive support and other goodies just like vB. So, well, the "professional" argument - using the same rationale as before - is no longer valid.
IPB 2.0 has narrowed the gap in features and functionality. I will not step up and say which of the two is better since there are features I like more in one that the other doesn't have, and vice versa. The decision on what board to use should ultimately be based on an unbiased comparison among all that each board has to offer. This can be done by installing the IPB 2.0 trial or by checking out the Admin demo for vBulletin.
Anyway, whatever your decision, a board is as professional as you want it to be. The final judges on how professional your site looks are the people who visit it, not the people here who swear by vB above anything, or people at IPB who'll swear the other way. With good work you can make either vB or IPB as professional as anything out there.
-MZ
http://www.invisionboard.com/download/index.php:
Permanent use of the software requires purchasing the license.
I believe that says it all.
Another thing which sucks about IPB is that even if you have to do a small change then you have to UPLOAD the whole damn file! In vB its nothing like this. Anyway , What do they say... Oh Yes! Personal Prefrence.
1. Don't use invision
2. Don't use WoltLab
3. Don't use phpBB
4. Don't use YaBB
5. Don't use ProBoards
6. Don't use Invisionfree
7. Don't use Philboard
8. Don't use iBulletin
9. Use vBulletin
But they're only 9. :p
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